Viewpoints: Traveling With a Disability

Justine and Dilara - The Pickle Sandwich

Our latest Viewpoints interview is a twofer! Here we will meet two ladies who travel with a disability: Justine, an Aussie who is legally blind, and Dilara, a New Zealand-living Scot who is profoundly deaf.

Together they are The Pickle Sandwich — a hilarious YouTube duo riffing on life, love, travel, and disability. I love their videos and highly recommend you check them out!

Here’s one of their videos on the most outrageous things people have said to them about their disabilities:

Traveling with a disability means having to plan ahead and make different accommodations. If you live with a disability, I hope these girls inspire you to travel! And if not, I hope you learn a little bit about what it’s like to travel in spite of these challenges.

justine performing

Adventurous Kate: You girls are new to the scene — let’s start by telling everyone about yourselves!

Justine: I am a 26 year old full-time musician. After completing a Bachelor of Music and then a Masters in Communication, I tried working a 9-5 job. My last job was for an IT Company! I finally quit and have been pursuing my music career full time as well as doing youth work for kids at risk. I also manage a creative agency, Velvet Crush, that delivers artist services such as photo shoots, portfolios, music videos and industry marketing.

I have always been eccentric, creative and a bit left of centre, but my biggest barrier to achieving things (like sustaining myself as a full-time singer!) is that I didn’t believe in myself. Over the years having met certain people, like Dilara, that belief went out the window and I realised my full potential! About a week into Dilara and I meeting, and her sleeping in my lounge room, I went to work and told my boss I was quitting.

Being visually impaired there are barriers — for example, I don’t drive, so you’ll often see me carrying a giant speaker and guitar on a bus and train to get to shows — but I find solutions and make it work. I have always been solutions-focused, so I really hate using excuses as to why I can’t do something.

I live in Sydney, right near the city — because I need to be close to everything and in a short taxi ride’s distance for when I have gigs on (not being able to drive and all). I also live 5 minutes from the beach, so I can’t find any reasons to complain!

Dilara at the Taj Mahal

Dilara: I’m the baby Pickle at 24. I work as a Resource Development Officer for an amazing organisation, Deaf Aotearoa, in New Zealand — this ranges from creating Sign Language courses to making exciting, fresh content such as film shorts to promote d/Deaf awareness.

After the 9-5 I live out my other passions: traveling and freelance writing. Currently piecing together my last 2.5 years of solo travel, my travel blog — fly wild — is going live 22 November 2015! My journey as a full time travel writer and vlogger is starting and within the next two years I’ll be back on the road, this time forever.

Being profoundly deaf means so many things I can’t list them all here but it does mean I get a more honest reaction from the world. I can tell who will be kind, gentle and funny with grace as soon as I let them know — and that’s a gift. Constantly pushing my comfort zone and other people’s expectations can only be a great thing!

The Pickle Sandwich is my dream — getting to laugh with one of my best friends — who has let me fully embrace all the ups and downs, whilst telling people how to sit down and behave (and laugh with us) is fabulous!

Justine, what things do you do differently as a legally blind traveler?

Justine: I have to plan my trip more thoroughly in terms of transport and accommodation. For example, it can be hard relying on signage in airports or finding hostels on my own, so I have to ensure I have my phone on roaming with GPS available and that I’ve researched in finer detail where everything is.

In terms of booking tours I also have to make sure there won’t be anything I can’t do on the tour. Recently The Pickle Sandwich visited New Zealand and we booked in a tour at an observatory (which you can watch here). I thought perhaps I’d be able to see the stars with their technology, but as it turns out I was only able to see a very limited amount and it wasn’t quite worth the money spent.

Dilara, what things do you do differently as a profoundly deaf traveler?

Dilara: I obviously have to rely on my other senses much more. I am already used to asking for help (with tannoys, health and safety etc.) so in that regard I have no qualms with walking right up to someone and striking up a conversation! It’s actually opened up many interesting exchanges and I’ve even made great friends this way.

The number of close calls I’ve had with missing connections is also ridiculous! So now I leave extra time (for freak occurrences), extra extra time (for my notorious inability to be on time) and extra extra extra time (for missing information because I can’t hear random things). Two words: DUTY-FREE.

Dilara with Australia Map

What are some destinations that are especially good for a blind or deaf traveler?

Dilara: This is actually a wonderful reverse of the usual preference for me – in countries where English (my first language) is not spoken, I am actually much more comfortable. We have to communicate through facial expressions and body language far more and this, for me, is so natural, plus it’s fun! I don’t have to decipher what people are saying so much anymore; even though I speak and hear ‘fluently’, it takes off some of the mental stress.

I’d recommend going places that are visually amazing – like the East Coast of Australia. Most countries in Asia and Europe are a feast for the eyes.

Justine: As someone who is legally blind, I am still able to experience viewing different environments such as landscapes and cities, that someone who is clinically blind might not be able to. This considered, destinations for anyone visually impaired includes experiences you can get up and close and personal with, such as tours within buildings, ruins or museums/galleries in Europe (personal favourites!).

Focusing on the other senses are also a great idea, so anything food- or music-related is a perfect start, and who wouldn’t want to experience food and music of another culture?

(Note from Kate: When I visited New Orleans, I thought it would be the perfect destination for a blind or deaf traveler. Different music on every street corner, beautiful architecture, wacky people, and sensational food — it’s the kind of destination that impacts all your senses at once!)

Justine in London Phone Booth

Do you like it when people offer to help you, or do you prefer to be independent unless you ask?

Justine: I think this is different for anyone with a disability, however for me I am always flattered when someone offers help. I think it is very kind and considerate of them to have noticed I have a disability let alone offer assistance.

Dilara: It’s not immediately obvious I have issues with my hearing, so when people offer to help, they’re offering anyway! I do love it, though, when people clock when I’m struggling with something and they step in to help. It can get awkward sometimes if someone oversteps the helping mark and sees me as this little helpless person but I think I nip that idea in the bud so quickly that it doesn’t happen so much!

In a way, asking for help is a way of being independent – it means you’re out there and likely out of your comfort zone: the best place to be to grow. As long as it comes from a good place, I appreciate it!

Dilara at Market

What can we do to make your travels easier?

Justine: We as in people without a disability?

Yikes. You’re right. I should have said “people without a disability” instead of “we.” I’ll make an effort to do that in the future.

Dilara: If “we” is for everyone, I think we’re halfway there.

More and more these days we are seeing a shifting attitude towards disability and impairments, which is fantastic. Just more awareness is great. I’d love to see more resources put out there for us to access things equally. Imagine a world where everything was accessible, then 90% of stigma and other issues like not being as independent as you’d like would disappear.

Patience is a big thing – it makes me equally angry and embarrassed when people treat me with impatience – for example, when I’ve not caught something the first time around. We interact with everyone every single day and not everyone interacts with “us” (not many people have ever met a deaf or blind person) – against the tide, if you like – and so if you just go easy, without judgment, my day is made infinitely better.

What's it like to travel with a disability?

Are there any online resources that you recommend for travelers with disabilities?

Justine: There are apps for people visually impaired:

SeeLight helps navigate through cities and crossing traffic lights safely.

Eyesight is a digital magnifier that replaces traditional ones.

IMove knows the address you are at and the schools, shops, pubs, etc. in the vicinity.

Dilara: Attitude Live is a great resource for general motivation and insight – traveler or not.

Be My Eyes is a great app for assisting a visually impaired person with any questions they have (like, “Is this milk past its drink by date?”) on an interface similar to FaceTime.

Snapchat, Glide & FaceTime are great for staying in touch – especially for anyone who signs. Plus on Snap you can make your writing heaps big.

The Pickle Sandwich, obviously! We discuss travel often – especially as I am a freelance travel writer myself – and how to laugh at life on the road or at home! Keep an eye out (or an ear, whichever works) for new videos on handling equipment abroad, more in-depth backpacking videos and how to dispel myths and smash boundaries!

justine and dilara in nz

What kinds of destinations inspire you as a traveler?

Dilara & Justine: Any place where the sun is shining and people are smiling!

Dilara: I love places with charm and history or great natural beauty. I love being outside and going on little adventures – whether it’s a little creek or a big ass mountain. It’s my sole purpose in life right now – seeing the world. It inspires me seeing what incredible designs our ancestors left for the world to enjoy – I’m obsessed with Rome for that reason!

Justine: Anywhere with a rich history and vibrant culture. Europe has always been awe-inspiring for me and I don’t think I will ever get sick of going there. My next trip will either be to Asia or South America. I love exploring countries that have deeply rooted cultures and old architecture; it transports me back to a different time.

justine snow

Which destinations rank among your favorites?

Dilara: India has been an obsession of mine since I was 12. Its chaos is delightful for me! India’s people are just amazing for me to be with. I feel very at home. It’s like this: everyone has 5.5 litres of blood. I can’t imagine Justine going there without a little freak out at first though – she’s big on order! Crossing the road….!

Japan is also one my favourites; it’s just a different world altogether. Such politeness and consideration for others. Myanmar also stole my heart – the people’s kindness there is overwhelming and really opens your eyes.

Justine: Italy, definitely. For a country with the land size of Tasmania, it is mind blowing the difference in culture, food, architecture and accents within cities that are less than 2 hours from each other. Every city and town has its own stories and charm, some haunting and some magnificent. You can never get enough of Italy!

dilara thailand train

What is your favorite safety tip to pass on to female travelers?

Justine: I think travelling within airports and legitimate transport systems is generally okay for females (or males), but just be aware of what is going on around you. I would recommend researching your destination and finding out which areas to avoid if you are going to be walking around cities by yourself.

Dilara: Just use your common sense! Don’t be afraid. Sure, there are bad people out there but there are also many, many great and generous people out there too, waiting to cross paths with you.

Thank you so much, ladies! For more from Justine and Dilara, please check out The Pickle Sandwich on YouTube or like The Pickle Sandwich on Facebook. Their videos will brighten your day!

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Jennifer
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Justine + Dilara – you two are adorable! Funny and too cute (and inspirational as well.) I’ll be checking out your channel 🙂

The Pickle Sandwich
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The Pickle Sandwich

Thank you Jennifer – being told we’re funny is the best compliment there is! We hope you like our videos and Part III is coming out soon for New Zealand – enjoy the trip! 🙂
D & J xx

Stéphanie
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Love reading those ligne ! Will get a look to their YouTube channel! Does they have twitter?

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The Pickle Sandwich

Nous avons twitter Stéphanie! Il est @thepicklesangie …. mais désolé, nous avons été très calme récemment. Mais nous serons beaucoup tweeting bientôt! Merci!!! D & J xx

Leanne
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Leanne

Thanks so much for introducing these two brilliant ladies! After reading your other viewpoint posts I was wondering if you’d talk to any travelers with disabilities. I’ve been ill since I was 14 (I’m 27 now) and travelling is something that I’ve always dreamed of doing. However because of the physical side of my illness anything more than a few days isn’t possible. So it’s always great to see and read how other people cope and thrive!

Do you know of any other travel bloggers or YouTubers that have disabilities?

Kara
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Kara

One of my favorite posts ever. Thank you so much for sharing this perspective. My favorite line was about the importance of patience when traveling – certainly a virtue in all aspects of life towards everyone, not just those with disabilities. Love it and love these guest posts. Keep it up Kate:) thanks!!

Marie Frei
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Yay! I’m so happy to stumble across this post. Thanks for sharing more about travel with a disability. I wrote a post about my own hearing loss a couple years ago (http://www.onecarryontravel.com/blog/2012/12/adventures-with-hearing-loss) and I have to agree -dealing with a disability can make you, surprisingly, more outgoing. I once traveled with a deaf journalist and she was the hardest working person out of the whole group. She went out of her way to have 1-to-1 conversations with key people and make sure she had the right details. Two thumbs up for The Pickle Sandwich!

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The Pickle Sandwich

What a great blog you have Marie – you’ve just got two new followers! I loved that article.
Thanks for checking this out!

Elena
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Wow!! This is so inspiring!!! I have goosebumps!! Ladies, you rock!! And Kate, thank you for letting these women shine on your site, so I can know about them.

As someone who is also traveling with hellish problems, I can relate. It’s not only travel, just every day life is twice as hard for me. But no matter what, I will continue to create, inspire and dance!

All my love to you ladies (and standing ovation)

Elena

The Pickle Sandwich
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The Pickle Sandwich

Thank you so much Elena! We really, really appreciate your kind words – and your standing ovation! Dancing is the best thing in the world.

Love D & J xx

Mama Munchkin
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What an inspiration these two beautiful young women are. It is amazing how much we take forgranted and how much further we can all push ourselves out of our comfort zones. Great read!!!

The Pickle Sandwich
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The Pickle Sandwich

Thank you so much! We appreciate you taking the time to read about our crazy adventures! D & J xx

Sherrie
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Brilliant stuff, ladies!

I’m profoundly deaf myself, although Auslan (Australian Sign Language) is my first language and I don’t speak well — and it hasn’t stopped me from travelling all over the world. Sign language has actually helped me (and many other people who know SL) to break down communication barriers in so many places, especially in non-English speaking countries.

It’s fabulous seeing more travel bloggers with disabilities out there! Keep up the awesome work you are doing!

Montie Slavin
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Thanks for this post. What a great story. I now have another blog to follow. While I have always believed that travel enriches and broadens one’s life, I really did not expect the depth of experience and wonder that I am finding in this new (for me) world of bloggers. Those of you like Kate and The Pickle Sandwich ladies are explorers extroidinairre and I am glad that I found this world of adventurers.

Britt
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I thought travel was hard to begin with, without being as amazing as these two girls.

Will definitely be subscribing!

Brooke
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Loved Justine and Dilara’s videos from The Pickle Sandwich–they are honest and hilarious! I thought this interview was great to bring awareness to how those who don’t have disabilities can assist those who do. I also think that your article has done a great job of showing how those with disabilities can still travel by using certain tools and apps as well as relying on other senses to pick up information.

Rae
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These girls are rad! Thanks for sharing.

Julie
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These girls are absolutely brilliant! Travel is always an adventure into the unknown, with the misadventures coming hand-and-hand with the adventures. I am in awe of Pickle Sandwich’s strength, humour and bravery. Can’t wait to see more!

Chelsea
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Loved reading this!! I agree that patience is so so important when traveling. I’ve especially noticed it while traveling with my boyfriend whose first language is not English. It’s easy to tell who has more experience with a diverse population (hearing and visually impaired included) based on who is most patient when communicating with him, as they’ll often have to repeat things more slowly or with different vocabulary, or use more gestures. Thanks for sharing your perspective, Pickle Sandwich!!

NZ Muse
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Oh wow, these guys are awesome! Thank you for introducing us to them 🙂

I’m a big word person, language is my jam, and I’m also terrible with accents – I admittedly struggle A LOT in non-English speaking countries.

Sunny Goyal
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Nice Blog. Both Justine and Dilara are inspirational.

sarah
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my sister is wheel chair bound always looking for new places she can travel that meet her needs and requierments.

Andrew
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inspiring! thanks for sharing Kate! wonderful post!

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